… In some ways Moore's newest film, "Capitalism: A Love Story," … exponent, Adam Smith. So Moore's film needs a new title. Perhaps … does happen). Eventually the film drifts leftward, criticizing … will expand on the theme with films about the excesses of non-capitalist … Moore's worldview. Before the film was released Moore wrote, "The …
… and officials at the Michigan Film Office and the Michigan Economic … principals went unreturned. Michigan Film Office spokesman Ken Droz eventually … deal involves the Michigan Film Incentive program, created … investment made in a "qualified film and digital media infrastructure … of money involved in these film subsidy deals, combined with …
… and officials at the Michigan Film Office and the Michigan Economic … principals went unreturned. Michigan Film Office spokesman Ken Droz eventually … deal involves the Michigan Film Incentive program, created … investment made in a "qualified film and digital media infrastructure … of money involved in these film subsidy deals, combined with …
… discussions on the Michigan film incentive highlight the importance … every $1 in taxes generated by film activity, deflating a hope of film incentive supporters that the … they expect a Michigan-based film industry, but two years after … argue that given enough time, film producers will stay in the …
… discussions on the Michigan film incentive highlight the importance … every $1 in taxes generated by film activity, deflating a hope of film incentive supporters that the … they expect a Michigan-based film industry, but two years after … argue that given enough time, film producers will stay in the …
… Recent discussions on Michigan film subsidies highlight the importance … every $1 in taxes generated by film activity, deflating a hope of film incentive supporters that the … they expect a Michigan-based film industry, but two years after … argue that given enough time, film producers will stay in the …
… Legislature’s ill-conceived Michigan Film Incentive. This program has … rebates and huge subsidies to film productions and film studios located in Michigan. … programs like the Michigan Film Incentive. Only brazen judicial … limited the size of the Michigan Film Incentive payouts and restricted …
… dramas — a genuine dramatic film with extremely high production … has been written about the film’s supposed bashing of teachers … concomitant intimidation of the film’s stars and rest on their respective … mechanism — wrote last week: “This film demonstrates that a new, better … not only the students of the film’s Adams Elementary in Pittsburgh …
… the attention that comes with film subsidies is from the media … Hollywood to claim $1.8 million in film incentives to do post-production work in 2011 after filming was done on the movie Spy … Company in 2011 and the Michigan Film Office trumpeted the deal in … Bankruptcy Speedshape: Another Film Subsidy Failure
… percent refundable tax credit for film production that takes place … special tax breaks. Last year, film production companies used this … State University review of the film incentive program estimates that the film crews brought in economic activity … 2007, the year before these film tax credits were in place, …
… the praises of the Michigan Film Office and a Birch Run restaurant … “Oink Joint.” Used in a feature film subsidized by Michigan taxpayers, … Michigan’s highly controversial film subsidy for Hollywood producers. … Governing story was published, the Film Office was still boasting of … trusting the details on the Film Office website before writing …
… million). There also is a film office line item worth less … administration of the state's film subsidy program. The program … has proposed $25 million in film subsidies, a 50 percent cut … the General Fund. Michigan Film Office (Administration) $883,700 … the state’s Michigan-based film promotion efforts. The $234,900 …
… t conservative reviewers of James Cameron’s new film “Avatar” have been strongly negative, to the point … that many other conservative reviewers panned the film for was bearable. Or maybe I was just distracted … helpfully points out to his mercenaries early in the film: “You are not in Kansas any more. You are on Pandora.” …
… tax credit. The Mackinac Center, a critic of the film subsidy program, originally broke the story about … but three legislators voted 'yes' to launch the film subsidy adventure back in 2008." ...And MLive … that more transparency is needed for the Michigan Film Office and its tax credits. Mackinac Center - …
… of interest: 2010 Senate Bill 1405 (Require more film subsidy application records disclosure) Introduced … Cassis (R) on June 24, 2010, to require the Michigan film office send a copy of each application for a film tax break or subsidy and all of the information …
… of the region. HOUSE BILL 6285 Narrow allowable film subsidy secrecy Introduced by state Rep. Dave … Freedom of Information Act exemption in the state film subsidy law. Under current law the state Film Office can keep secret information, records or …
… spent 96 mesmerizing minutes viewing the latest film release of the story of Sir Nicholas Winton at the Detroit Film Theatre within the Detroit Institute of Arts complex. … learning of Nicky’s actions for the first time. The film shares the story of 1939 in clips and through interviews …
… and students attended a private screening of the film “Little Pink House,” held by the Mackinac Center at Hillsdale College. The compelling film, based on the life of Susette Kelo, tells the story … the court of public opinion. As evident by the film, her story to fight for her property continues …
… remembering. It was 100 years ago, in February 1900, that George Eastman first introduced the Kodak Brownie box camera. The price was one dollar; film was 15 cents a roll. For the first time, taking pictures was within the reach of almost every American family. The Brownie inaugurated the era of …
… Michigan subsidizes the Ann Arbor Film Festival through the Michigan Council … described in the AAFF brochure as a "film (which contains graphic sexuality) … director’s months in the United States filmed while she was marketing a previous … [expletive deleted] in New York." Films shown in previous years at the AAFF …
… The study also examines the Michigan Film Office, its film incentive program, one component of … Authority. Eliminate the Michigan Film Incentive. If the Legislature insists … companies. Prevent the use of the Michigan Film Incentive’s refundable tax credit until …
… Columnist George Weeks, writing in the Traverse City Record-Eagle, cited several statistics from the study, including the failure of the Michigan film incentive and the growing lack of transparency at the MEDC over time. LaFaive also was quoted by the Livingston Daily in a story that says Michigan …
… economy and, God forbid, even make a few bucks for yourselves." This speech is from "Other People's Money," considered by some to be capitalism's finest film. "Predatory" investor "Larry the Liquidator's" (Danny DeVito) explains to shareholders considering a vote on a "hostile" takeover the virtue of encouraging …
… economy and, God forbid, even make a few bucks for yourselves." This speech is from "Other People's Money," considered by some to be capitalism's finest film. "Predatory" investor "Larry the Liquidator's" (Danny DeVito) explains to shareholders considering a vote on a "hostile" takeover the virtue of encouraging …
… interest: House Bill 5980 (Require film subsidy screen credits) Introduced … require movies shot with Michigan film production subsidies to place a "filmed in Michigan using Michigan's film production financial incentive" statement …
… for the economy and, God forbid, even make a few bucks for yourselves." From "Other People's Money," considered by some to be capitalism's finest film.
… to an end three forced unionization schemes in the last three years. Analysts have also doggedly pursued transparency to help taxpayers understand film subsidies, corporate welfare and how schools spend money. Here is a sampling of our watchdog efforts: Michigan Press Association and Mackinac Center …
… incentives for politicians and the coverage from the media, these “bold” government projects too often are the norm. In recent years, this has included film subsidies, MEDC select business deals focusing on “green energy” and the “cool cities” project. It even led one former legislator to say that the MEDC …
… also hand out $50 million per year in film credits. There has been a fight between … MEDC and would vote to eliminate the film subsidy program. “The state should … those subsidies more?” Regarding the film subsidy program, he added, “No, I do … Race Contrast Over Right-to-Work, Film Subsidies, Detroit Bailout In 31st …
… Economic Development Corp. (MEDC), the film subsidy program, and the state prevailing … spends about $300 million, and the film incentive program, which spends $50 … going to affect them next.” On the film subsidy program, she added, “Subsidizing … Race Contrast Over Right-to-Work, Film Subsidies, Detroit Bailout In 31st …
… at least two officers. Union officers’ family members were on the payroll as well. The union even spent $43,000 to send Newton’s 23-year-old son to film school in British Columbia. The union also maintained a suite at the Kansas Speedway racetrack, which cost $40,000 per year.[25]
… a data storage company, to set up shop in the old Steelcase Pyramid Building in west Michigan. Citing past failed incentive programs, such as the film tax credits, LaFaive suggests an alternative to singling out Switch or other data companies: Any jobs or revenue predictions made by the state about …
… subsidies,’ similar to the Michigan film subsidies,” said Mark Perry, an economics … Statistics. Granholm stated that the film incentives law she signed in 2008 would … economic investment it creates.” But the film subsidy program was terminated in 2015. … billion dollars, Michigan had fewer film jobs in 2013 (1,561) than when the …
… and electric car battery makers, developers of brownfield and historic preservation property, owners of property in a farmland preservation program, film producers, and businesses and individuals in renaissance zones.
… public dollars. The state would have likely been in a better position fiscally had it eliminated the ineffective Michigan Economic Growth Authority or film subsidy programs when analyses of them showed them having no positive impact on the state’s economy. It is particularly important given the birth of …
… advanced battery tax credits, Michigan Film and Digital Media Incentive and the … tourism subsidy programs Michigan’s film incentive was created in 2008 and cost … was put down. The state had fewer film jobs in 2013 than 2018. The Legislature … Growth Authority and the Michigan film incentive program. At the same time, …
… issued June 25, “No live audiences are allowed, except for staff of the facility at which a sporting event is held and media personnel reporting on, filming, or otherwise documenting the sporting event.” These provisions suggest Michigan may see a fall sports season where high school football teams play …
… side about the compensation of Hollywood producers benefitting from state film subsidies. That same senator voted for the economically absurd film subsidies. Read the various legislators' floor statements from this sad …
… bureaucrats stymie a broadcast outlet for rock music in the mid-1960s. The film is set in the North Sea waters off the coast of England in 1966 and 1967, … of many songs that were released well after the 1966-67 timeframe - the film as a whole leaves a free-market, small-government advocate with little to …
… Michael D. Jahr Senior Director of Communications MIDLAND — Hangar42, a film studio touted by Gov. Jennifer Granholm in her State of the State address, … have gone unanswered, ignored or been rejected by officials at the Michigan Film Office and the Michigan Economic Development Corp., said LaFaive, who worked …
… Hangar42 studio $10 million tax credit. The Mackinac Center, a critic of the film subsidy program, originally broke the story about this controversial tax credit and noted, "All but three legislators voted 'yes' to launch the film subsidy adventure back in 2008." MLive — Gubernatorial candidate Sen. Tom …
… e - Hangar42 told contractors talking to media would 'kill the deal' for film incentives ...Walker reviews zoning regulations for controversial movie … Press - Questions surrounding Hangar42 may indicate "bigger concern" of film credits. Detroit News - Detroit should become the "Sam's Club" of cities. …
… like a 'possible shady deal.' WTOL 11 - Rep. Robert Dean aide resigns over film flap. Grand Rapids Press - Attorney General Mike Cox subpoenas, searches state film office over Hangar42. Connect Mid-Michigan - Meanwhile, the MEA rallies …
… in an "assignable" (saleable) business tax credit deal for the Hangar 42 film studio scheme in Grand Rapids. This subsidy was trumpeted by Gov. Jennifer Granholm and others as a victory for the state's film incentive program until the Mackinac Center broke the story by raising questions …
… Getting Yanked Attorney General Heeds Requests for Investigation of Embattled Film Studio Sorry — Your Film Office Success Story Was Not Found State Websites Give History a Rewrit …
After a successful run at the Sundance Film Festival and openings in New York and Los Angeles, the documentary “Waiting for Superman” makes its Detroit-area debut this weekend at the Main Art Theatre in Royal Oak. The film, which documents the failings of public school systems throughout the country, …
… Aug. 19 Op-Ed for the Detroit Free Press about the failures of the Michigan film subsidy program. The Grand Rapids Press on Aug. 2 and WZZM TV13 in Grand … and millions of dollars in subsidies later, there were 10 percent fewer film-related jobs in Michigan than when the program started.
… from promising thousands of jobs at his privately owned utopian 104-acre film studio and “retraining program,” to a scaled down studio and film school on city-owned property, to near eviction and eventually hightailing …
… example, Democrats voted unanimously in the Senate to support the state's film subsidy program. Whitmer also voted ‘no’ on Senate Bill 773 in 2009, an … Confidential Coverage of the MEDC Cost to Replace Lost Jobs with Michigan Film Subsidies: $39.4 Billion Senator Says MEDC Should Stop Believing Its Own …
… when government escapes its proper limits. For example, had not a state film subsidy program skewed local government incentives, the city of Allen Park would never have taken on massive debt for a film studio whose collapse has brought the city to the edge of bankruptcy and …
… million for “business attraction and economic gardening” and $50 million for a film incentive program. Rather than cripple the job creation he desires, Gov. … preferential tax treatment, using programs such as MEGA and the Michigan Film Incentive. Government cannot give money, however, to any person or organization …
… for one of the largest tax incentives the state has offered — the state's film tax credits program that has given movie production companies $213.8 million … also: CapCon Coverage of Corporate Welfare CapCon Coverage of the State Film Subsidy Program
… when the government is in charge. For example, backers of Michigan’s failed film subsidy program claimed that sending hundreds of millions of dollars to billionaire Hollywood film studios was “supporting the arts.” And patrons of museums and festivals …
… — though embellished in the film — that has always begged for … Jean-Jacques Annaud conveys in this film. Other reviewers may dwell … what I liked most about the film was what it has to say about … moment came near the end of the film, just before a Soviet propagandist … bullet with that one. The film’s hero, Zaitsev, never utters …
… businesses must exist. The film subsidy was created in 2008 … credit of up to 42 percent for film business done in Michigan. … dollar welfare subsidy, the film industry drains hundreds of … Huizenga discusses Michigan’s film subsidies Pew’s Non-Neutrality … Cost Not Shown $72 Million in Film Credits Not Reported by Film …
… masterpiece “On the Waterfront.” The film was nominated for 12 Academy … Movies, and among only 15 films in the “Values” category (the … government employees. The films of the World War II years championed … After 1952 many of Kazan’s films can be viewed as, alternately, … Commission. The remainder of the film depicts Terry’s eventual conclusion …
… "Ratatouille," the new animated film by Disney/Pixar, is remarkably … unexpected sources. Unlike most films in which the hero is a talking … chef in Paris. Early in the film, Remy is displaced from the … human creativity as well. The film is visually stunning. From … is explored throughout the film and is finally illuminated …
… Senate Bill 796, Increase state film subsidy transparency, passed … disclosure requirements on state film subsidies. The Film Office would have to post twice-yearly … that disclose how much each film producer plans to spend in … of the expenses incurred by film producers in this state. Who …
… force against fracking. The film also was cited by the leader … most memorable part of the film is a man appearing to light … drilling. The director of the film knew that, but called it "not … objective reporters regard the film as misinformation." "[When … Siegal also criticized the film, noting that while "gas migration …
… Development Corp. (MEDC), the film subsidy program, and the state … moviemakers. Do you support the state film incentive program? Rogers: … absolutely do not support the state film incentive program. Warner Brothers … pick a random industry like films. “It is a foolish policy to … Contrast Over Right-to-Work, Film Subsidies, Detroit Bailout …
… transition as early as 1997, when he released his film "The Edge." In "The Edge" screenplay, which Mamet … Alaskan wilderness. In almost any other Hollywood film, the wealthy man would be effete and require saving … scene Mamet added for the 1992 James Foley-directed film version of "Glengarry Glen Ross," which coincidentally …
… involving tax credits for a proposed West Michigan film studio. Like GlobalWatt, it was touted by the governor … State address: "And in Grand Rapids, it's Hangar42 Film Studios," Gov. Jennifer Granholm said. "We uncovered … money that was claimed to have been invested in the film studio and the actual cost of the building," LaFaive …
… state Legislature voted to eliminate the Michigan film incentive program. This program doled out subsidies to film productions in the Great Lake State. It has cost … commissioned a 2009 study purporting to show that the film incentive program was a “big hit,” and created …
… the 2015-2016 session. House Bill 4122, Repeal film producer subsidies: Passed 58 to 51 in the House … the program that gives Michigan tax dollars to film producers. Since 2008 some $500 million was distributed … “Yes” and Who Voted “No” House Bill 4122, Repeal film producer subsidies: Passed 24 to 13 in the Senate …
… capital, alternative energy, “anchor companies,” film producers, high-tech firms, rural companies and … to go even further than the governor. Michigan’s film subsidies were the most lavish in the country, … roughly $500 million and creating no sustainable film industry in Michigan. Lawmakers eliminated this …
… 1980s. Our original, scholarly research on MEGA, film production tax credits, subsidies to promote tourism … but there was progress, too. In 2008 the state’s film incentive program was adopted 108-0 in the House … Cassis of Novi casting the only “no” vote. The film subsidy program would cost the state $500 million …
… even bring it up. Skorup talks about Michigan’s film incentive as an example, which lawmakers created … was about feelings – in this case, anger. “[T]he film office gave a million dollars to Michael Moore to shoot a film here in Michigan,” Skorup says. “Republicans really …
… burden on its citizens. State Film Subsidy: “For fiscal year 2012, … two-year return on investment on film subsidies. The film subsidy program is a poor investment … in 2009, and there are fewer film jobs in the state overall than … payback of the subsidy if the film grosses over a certain box …
… subsidies that are paid in the form of refundable tax credits. The state's film incentive program is a case in point. It writes checks drawn on the state treasury that are equal to as much as 42 percent of a film producer's expenditures in the state. Main's statement is also a misdirection …
… theaters nationwide tomorrow. I am reminded of the scene from Moore's 1989 film "Roger and Me" when Moore talks to factory workers through the windows of … Pittsburgh, prompting this Huffington Post headline: "Michael Moore's New Film Rocks AFL-CIO." Moore's own Web site features a video, in which he "rallies …
… in an "assignable" (saleable) business tax credit deal for the Hangar 42 film studio scheme in Grand Rapids. This subsidy was trumpeted by Gov. Jennifer Granholm and others as a victory for the state's film incentive program until the Mackinac Center broke the story by raising questions …
… also oppose these giveaways have been cheerleaders for "their" governor's film producer subsidies, tax breaks for specific companies, and various other … cite Big Brother's famous flip-flop response from Orwell's "1984")? When "our" film producer subsidies become "theirs," for example, will the $125 million hole …
… that this status quo will be challenged by our young protagonists in the film’s climax. But, even as the teens play by the government-established rules … rules, to the detriment of the contenders. For example, when it appears the film’s pouty-lipped heroine is insufficiently keen on disemboweling her opponents, …
… But experts say that those scenes, made popular by the wildly disingenuous film "Gasland," have nothing to do with the extraction process. Terry Engelder, a … State University said that "all reasonably objective reporters regard the film as misinformation." Anthony Ingraffea, a professor of engineering at Cornell …
… the show while they were in town for a weekend. (The program was actually filmed in California.) And last week the newspaper “fact checked” a CBS promo … when it comes to retirement and benefits.” ~~~~~ See also: Is Shooting a Film in Detroit Like 'Being in Prison'? TV Reality Check: 'NCIS' is All Wet …
… featured in the new documentary "Big Sacrifices, Big Dreams." The 30-minute film looks at the anti-Catholic roots of so-called Blaine amendments — common … education options for their children. Produced by the Pioneer Institute, the film is slated to be released for the eighth edition of National School Choice …
… and electric car battery makers. And in 2008, Whitmer voted for a state film incentive program incentive program that eventually gave $500 million in … indefinitely, but the Legislature elected at the end of that year instead terminated film subsidies the following spring. During Whitmer’s tenure in the state House …
… past eight years. After spending a half-billion taxpayer dollars on the film industry, the state no longer forks over cash for film productions. The state also no longer has programs for subsidizing battery …
… institute includes a variety of studies involving United Nations policies. Gregory Rehmke is a program director at Economic Thinking/E Pluribus Unum Films, a nonprofit organization in Seattle. He has spoken and written on each year’s national high school debate topic since the 1980s. This year’s debate …
… example, Al Gore’s documentary is being shown in many classrooms throughout the state despite its scientific errors (see Mackinac Center review of the film at: https://www.mackinac.org/7787). Other aspects of popular culture depict scientifically accurate elements, such as the forensics in television programs …
… essay on the scientific errors in the film "The Day After Tomorrow," which depicted … Teacher: Cheryl Hach Giant Ants in the Film Them Aima Mori Grade 9 Troy Athens … Demorest Tornado Fallacies in the Film Twister Anthony Spalvieri-Kruse Grade … Cheryl Hach Fallacies in Undersea Films Helen Yang Grade 11 Troy High School, …
… Mackinac Center for Public Policy, "A Teacher Quality Primer," June 30, 2008 Mackinac Center for Public Policy, "Special Effects: Flawed Report on Film Incentives Provides Distorted Lens," June 12, 2009
… the Freedom of Information Act. Still, it has become less forthcoming with information about the agency itself and about the high-profile Michigan Film Incentive subsidy, another economic development program under its supervision. [*] In a May 28, 2009, Detroit Free Press Op-Ed co-authored by economist …
… jobs with targeted tax credits or subsidies for select corporate beneficiaries under programs like the Michigan Economic Growth Authority or Michigan film incentives. This handing out fiscal favors almost willy nilly has dominated the state’s efforts to resuscitate its gasping economy. Initiatives like …
… back on health care for the kids? Consume less food or clothing? Remove ourselves to meaner habitations? Eat out less? Take in fewer of the Hollywood films we're helping to bankroll? No doubt tax hike proponents will point to the need for tax revenues to pay for core government functions like police and …
… viral video and the introduction of "The MC," the Center's new blog. Other popular items included the Center's ongoing investigation of Michigan's film subsidy program, education issues, property rights, the Michigan Legislature's overspending crisis, the environment and the creation of the Mackinac …
… account for only 0.25 percent of the state's job creation over the program's history. The state expects to spend $155 million luring movie producers to film in Michigan. In its first year of operations, even using the state's generous assumptions on its multiplier effects, the incentive accounted for just …
… student photos at social networking sites such as Facebook. They also questioned if schools had any responsibility in cases when parents or visitors filmed a school event and posted it on a Web site not affiliated with schools. SOURCES: Traverse City Record-Eagle, "A.G. opinion impacts students' images," …
Detroit Free Press - A game maker sues the state over the film incentive program. Detroit Free Press - The Freep says a Macomb Republican seeking a state Senate seat is using "heavy and unfounded allegations" against her rivals ... and the politician admits she doesn't even know if the charges are …
… employment numbers for Michigan's film industry. In his analysis, Hohman found — to … Michigan people working in Michigan's film industry than before the state's movie … senator to declare, "As a job creator, film subsidies have failed in Michigan ... … investigation involving a possible Michigan Film Office deal for "Hangar42," a Grand …
… ~~~~~~~~ A selecton of bills introduced by Rep. Dave Agema House Bill 6366 (Establish "Arizona" illegal alien law) House Bill 6285 (Narrow allowable film subsidy secrecy) House Bill 6286 (Require proof of citizenship to register to vote) House Bill 6259 (Create incentive for state employees to spend …
… of all the bills he has ever sponsored is here. House Bill 6366 (Establish "Arizona" illegal alien law and more) House Bill 6285 (Narrow allowable film subsidy secrecy) House Bill 6286 (Require proof of citizenship to register to vote) House Bill 6259 (Create incentive for state employees to spend …
… Job Creation "...Funny Numbers They Pull Out of Their Backside" Does Michigan Adding Jobs in July Redeem the Granholm Record? Governor Describes Film Subsidies as Jobs Program, so "Why Not Give Them Spoons?" NOT Blown Away
… Job Creation "...Funny Numbers They Pull Out of Their Backside" Does Michigan Adding Jobs in July Redeem the Granholm Record? Governor Describes Film Subsidies as Jobs Program, so "Why Not Give Them Spoons?" NOT Blown Away
… millions of taxpayer dollars spent to subsidize a handful of electric car battery assembly plants employing at most a few hundred workers each. An ongoing film subsidy program projected to suck $130 million from the state budget this year. Massive “renewable energy” subsidies and mandates, potentially including …
… saying the governor’s proposal would also end the Michigan Economic Growth Authority’s selective corporate tax break and subsidy program, and the state film subsidies as well. Research by Mackinac Center analysts shows that, at best, MEGA creates no new net jobs, and it may actually destroy them. Specifically, …
… Michigan’s $20 billion public school system) into bite-sized and entertaining shorts. Daniel Montgomery, marketing and design director, animated the films, winning the silver Communicator for use of graphics in the video. The Center has produced four videos to supplement a study on school funding myths. …
… eliminated, the Michigan Business Tax was abolished, the economic development regime has had its wings clipped, an alleged rip-off using the Michigan film incentive was thwarted, emergency financial managers have more effective tools for dealing with recalcitrant unions, probably half of the school districts …
… ecological destructive tendencies and wipe humanity out in order to preserve the Earth system as a whole.” It sounds like an idea for a new Al Gore film. The authors go on to say: “These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly …
… government jobs that have been protected from a recession,” Hohman said. ~~~~~ See also: Helpful Facts About Michigan's Public Sector Governor Describes Film Subsidies as Jobs Program, so "Why Not Give Them Spoons?" Debate: Could Union Costs Be Pricing Michigan Out of Auto Jobs? Sierra Club’s War on Coal …