About this audio file: On Oct. 10, 2008, Patrick J. Wright, senior legal analyst for the Mackinac Center, and Tom Watkins, former Michigan state superintendent of public instruction, were guests on "Ebling and You" with host Jack Ebling on WILS in Lansing. They discussed a policy brief titled "A Merit-Pay Pilot Program for Michigan Public Schools" that Wright co-authored. The interview is 12 minutes and 33 seconds.